She does not even belong in the same category as those mentioned. But then I realized that I do not see Mary IN this way: as a reformer, theological giant, and so on. Is this Fundie? Uninformed? Help me out, here!Īt first I was convicted, thinking of how much I value those mentioned (Augustine, Luther, etc.) and how I have never valued Mary in this way. Besides, the intercessor for the Intercessor business makes me most uncomfortable. In the NT it was part of a pattern of God/Christ devotion. I'm all for keeping an open mind, but my prayer is reserved for the Triune God. I suppose this is why I would personally not be comfortable praying the Hail Mary. Kim wrote: "I am sure that Roman Catholics themselves would not want Protestants rushing into the Ave Maria without due consideration."
Lutherans hail mary hymn full#
If Protestants are interested in the Hail Mary, I would recommend that they start with the ancient form, which is entirely Biblical and does not include the request for intercessory prayer: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!
Otherwise, one ends up with postmodern absurdities like the goddess rosary. It's meaningless to borrow something without being sensitive to its context.
In Catholicism, the Hail Mary (especially as part of the Rosary) holds a place in public devotion and has been recommended as preparation for the Liturgy while being essentially outside the Liturgy. It is a part of the Rosary, which is a kind of alternative to the Liturgy of the Hours (and the Rosary puts the Hail Mary at the service of meditation on Christ's life). And it's not a part of the Liturgy of the Hours, either. The Hail Mary is not a part of the Liturgy of the Word or the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I think something new is called for, something to really capture our religious imaginations. I don't find the Hail Mary or the hymns to the Theotokos, from the Eastern traditions, helpful. But I'm not sure the liturgy is always the place for it. There is still a lot of baggage around Marian devotion, I personally would like to see an integretion of hagiography, led by Marian devotion, into our ecclesial life. I like to push them so we chatted about Mariology. That's the one I use to chat with a few more fundamentalist friends in the States. After all, lex orandi, lex credendi.īen I had a really nice discussion going over at my mySpace blog. I am sure that Roman Catholics themselves would not want Protestants rushing into the Ave Maria without due consideration. The point is that the Ave Maria is a prayer to Mary, indeed asking for her to intercede for us, and although I am all for revisiting this issue with post-Reformation equanimity and generosity, and with openness to Protestant metanoia, it must be done in the context of Mariology as a whole, with particular reference to the 18 papal pronouncements, and indeed in the wider context of the veneration of and prayers to the saints. On this line of thought, why not an "Ave John Wesley" ("Indeed!" I can here Methodists responding :))? But Sittler's conclusion that Protestants therefore take on board the Ave Maria is logically disingenuous and theologically irresponsible. al., a fortiori they should honour Mary Theotokos - and I hope most of us do. Most prots I've known think that any words addressed to somebody who's not physically in the same room is a "prayer." Were I to ask Our Lady or Thomas Merton or Ben Myers to intercede for me, for some reason the first two requests are prayers, and the third is just a request, and since one "should only pray to God," that's considered no good.Ĭertainly as Protestants honour Augustine et. For that to work, you'd have to carefully teach about prayer.
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